Arm Announces Neoverse V1 & N2 Infrastructure CPUs: +50% IPC, SVE Server Coresby Andrei Frumusanu on September 22, 2020 9:00 AM EST
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Arm’s ambitions for the server market has been a very long journey that’s taken years to materialise. After many doubts and false start attempts, today in 2020 nobody can deny that sever chips powered by the company’s CPU IP are not only competitive, but actually class-leading on several metrics.
Amazon’s Graviton2 64-core Neoverse N1 server chip is the first of what should become a wider range of designs that will be driving the Arm server ecosystem forward and actively assaulting the infrastructure CPU market share that’s currently dominated by the x86 players such as Intel and AMD.
The journey has been a long one, but has had its roots back in roadmaps publicly planned laid out by the company back in 2018. Fast-forward to 2020, not only have we seen products with the first-generation Neoverse N1 infrastructure CPU IP hit the market in commercial and publicly available form, but we’ve seen the company exceed their targeted 30% generational gain by a factor of 2x.
The Neoverse V1: A New Maximum Performance Tier Infrastructure CPU
Today, we’re ready to take the next step towards the next generation of the Neoverse platform, not only revealing the CPU microarchitecture previously known as Zeus, but a whole new product category that goes beyond the Neoverse N-series: Introducing the new Neoverse V-series and the Neoverse V1 (Zeus), as well as a new roadmap insertion in the form of the Neoverse N2 (Perseus).
The new Neoverse V1 introduces the new V-series into Arm’s infrastructure IP portfolio, and essentially this represents the company’s push for higher absolute performance, no matter the cost.
Earlier this spring we covered the company’s new mobile Cortex-X1 CPU IP which represented significant business model change for Arm: Instead of offering only a single one-fits-all CPU microarchitecture which licensees had to make due with in a wider range of designs and performance points, we’ve now seen a divergence of the microarchitectures, with one IP offering now focusing on pure maximum performance (Cortex-X1), no matter the area or power cost, while the other design (Cortex-A78) focuses on Arm’s more traditional maximised PPA (Power, Performance, Area) design philosophy.
The Zeus microarchitecture in the form of the Neoverse V1 is essentially the infrastructure counterpart to what Arm has achieved in the mobile IP offering with the Hera Cortex-X1 CPU IP: A focus on maximum performance, with a lesser regard to power and area.
This means that the V1 has significantly larger caches, cores structures, using up more area and power to achieve unprecedented performance levels.
In terms of generational performance uplift, it’s akin to Arm throwing down the gauntlet to the competition, achieving a ground-breaking +50 IPC boost compared to Neoverse N1 that we’re seeing in silicon today. The performance uplift potential here is tremendous, as this is merely a same-process ISO-frequency upgrade, and actual products based on the V1 will also in all likelihood also see additional performance gains thanks to increased frequencies through process node advancements.
If we take the conservatively clocked Graviton2 with its 2.5GHz N1 cores as a baseline, a theoretical 3GHz V1 chip would represent an 80% uplift in per-core single-threaded performance. Not only would such a performance uptick vastly exceed any current x86 competition in the server space in terms of per-core performance, it would be enough to match the current best high-performance desktop chips from AMD and Intel today (Though we have to remember it’ll compete against next-gen Zen3 Milan and Sapphire Rapids products).
Neoverse N2 is Perseus – Continues the PPA Focus
Alongside the Neoverse V1 platform, we’ve seen a roadmap insertion that previously wasn’t there. The Perseus design will become the Neoverse N2, and will be the effective product-positioning successor to the N1. This new CPU IP represents a 40% IPC uplift compared to the N1, however still maintains the same design philosophy of maximising performance within the lowest power and smallest area.
It can be a bit confusing when it comes to the microarchitectural generations that we’re talking about here, so I made a graph to illustrate what we could call generational siblings between Arm’s mobile, and server CPU IP:
Although this is just a general rough outline of Arm’s products, the important thing to note that there’s similarities between generations of Cortex and Neoverse products as they’ve being developed in tandem at similar moments in time during their design. The Neoverse N1 was developed in conjunction with the Cortex-A76, and thus the two microarchitectures can be regarded as sibling designs as they share a lot of similarities.
The Neoverse V1 can be regarded as a sibling design to the Cortex-X1, likely sharing a lot of the supersized core structures that had been developed for these two flagship CPUs.
The Neoverse N2 is a bit more special as it represents the sibling design to a next-generation Cortex-A core which is the follow-up to the A78. Arm says they’ll be licensing out this “Perseus” design by the end of the year and that customers already are engaging on beta RTL – we’re likely to hear more about this generation of products at next year’s TechDay event. The N2 would be lagging behind the V1 by one year and subsequently it'll take more time to see this in products.
As a note, all of the above designs are all based in Austin and can be regarded as in the same microarchitecture family that had been started off with the Cortex-A76. If I’m not mistaken, next-generation “Poseidon” designs will be on a fresh new microarchitecture started by Arm’s Sophia-Antipolis design team – although Arm does note that there’s a lot more collaboration and blur between the different teams nowadays. Here Arm already notes a +30% IPC uplift for this generation of designs, likely to hit products in 2023.
An Undisclosed Architecture with SVE: Armv9?
One very notable characteristic of both the Neoverse V1 and N2 are the fact that these now support SVE (Scalable Vector Extensions), with the V1 having two native 256-bit pipelines and the N2 being a 2x128-bit design. The advantage of SVE over other SIMD ISAs is the fact that code written in it can scale with the varying execution width of a microarchitecture, something that’s just not possible with today’s Neon or AVX SIMD instructions.
Fujitsu’s A64FX chip and custom core microarchitecture had been to date the only CPU announced and available with SVE, meaning the V1 and N2 will be Arm’s first own designs actually implementing SVE.
Today’s announcements around this part of the V1 and N2 CPUs raised more questions than it answered, as the company wasn’t willing to disclose whether this support referred to the first-generation SVE instruction set, or whether they already supported SVE2.
In fact, the company wouldn’t confirm even the base architecture of the designs, whether this were Armv8 designs or one of the subsequent iterations. This is extremely unusual for the company as it’s traditionally transparent on such basic aspects of their IPs.
What I think is happening here is that
the V1 and N2 might be both Armv9 designs, and the company will be publicly revealing the new ISA iteration sometime between today’s announcement and mid next year at the latest – of course this is all just my own interpretation of the situation as Arm refused to comment on the topic.
Update: Actually it does seem that Arm had already publicly upstreamed the initial compiler entries to GCC for Zeus back in June, confirming that at least the Neoverse V1 is an Armv8.4+SVE(1) design. I still think the N2 might be a v9+SVE2 design.
At the end of the day, what we end up are two extremely compelling new microarchitectures that significantly push Arm’s positioning in the infrastructure market. The Neoverse N2 is an obvious design that focuses on Arm’s PPA metrics, and the company sees customers designing products that are primarily focused on “scale-out” workloads that requite a lot of CPU cores. Here we could see designs up to 128 cores.
The Neoverse V1 will see designs with lesser core-counts as the CPUs are just bigger and more power hungry. Arm sees the 64-96 range being what’s most likely to be adopted by licensees. These are the premier products that will be going against the best of what Intel and AMD have to offer- and if the performance projections pan out (as they usually do for Arm), then we’re in for a brutally competitive fight unlike we’ve seen before.
The first publicly known design confirmed to employ the new Neoverse V1 cores is SiPearl’s “Rhea” chip that looks to feature 72 cores in a 7nm TSMC process node. Ampere’s “Siryn” design would also be a candidate for applying the V1 microarchitecture, targeted for a 2022 release on TSMC’s 5nm node.
Today’s announcement has been more of a teaser or unveiling, with the company planning to go into more details about the architecture and microarchitectures of the designs at a later date. Arm's DevSummit is scheduled for October 6-8th - and might be where we'll hear a bit more about the new architecture.
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0ldman79 - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - linkThe biggest thing holding back ARM is legacy x86 software.
If they get emulation in hardware or software running good enough, doesn't have to match performance just 100% accurate emulation, then Intel and AMD have a problem.
We're at the point where even low end x86 is plenty for 99% of the population. If they can beat a quad core without SMT enabled then it'll be good enough.
That being said 90% of the population only use apps and browse the web, legacy software support is just keeping them out of the mainstream mostly because it has in the past, it's not even an issue until you start talking about commercial applications. Most businesses have some low volume custom software running their business. They can still run ARM for their personal computers.
Rοb - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - linkIn Anand's previous, admittedly apples to oranges, comparison: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15578/cloud-clash-a... ARM was doing well against older AMD and Intel CPUs. Things should heat-up if NVidia makes a GPU-centric APU that's ARM based.
ARM started with lower performance CPU cores with low power consumption, AMD and Intel the opposite; now we see each pushing to swap their downside with the upside of the other. Will "physics" win, will it always, and only, be possible to do a certain amount of work while expending a certain amount of energy?
michael2k - Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - linkhttps://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-introduc...
They already do.
SarahKerrigan - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - linkI would be extremely surprised if these are SVE1 designs, even though ARM isn't confirming SVE2.
dotjaz - Sunday, September 27, 2020 - linkThen consider yourself surprised. SVE is good enough for HPC, SVE2 not so important. There's no time to implement SVE2 this soon. SVE2 is basically extending NEON to SVE-style instructions. Mainly focused on multimedia, DSP, encryption instructions.
But Cortex-Anext could potentially be ARMv9a+SVE2. I'm hoping ARMv9a makes SVE2 mandatory.
serendip - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - linkBring it on! A 16 core laptop or tablet chip with the same TDP and IPC as Ryzen 4800U would be a nuclear torpedo aimed at the heart of x86 computing. Qualcomm's 8cx is decent but it's outclassed by Apple's upcoming A14-based MacBook chip and Tiger Lake. A V1-based laptop chip would be a lot more competitive.
AMDSuperFan - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - linkRight because cores are the only thing that matters. Why not 400 core laptop chip? As long as I have 400 cores, I can do pkzip and encoding tasks much better than my friends. For people who don't know, CBTM (Character Based Thread Management) is a new technology being developed to make even web browsing much faster with more cores. Each character is actually written with a unique core. Today this does not happen. So yes, the 400 core laptop will be unstoppable.
dotjaz - Sunday, September 27, 2020 - linkGeez, you are so dumb. A 16c/16t X1/A78 will match Zen2 8c/16t in both thread count and performance while using less power.
That's the point.
Nobody is mentioning 400 core(sic) laptop but you. Oh poor dumb you.
Dex4Sure - Tuesday, April 13, 2021 - linkAMD fanboys are not known to be very smart. A lot of them sound like football fans.
PixyMisa - Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - linkWith TSMC's 5nm, AMD could do a 16-core laptop chip at 25W. With 16 Vega / Navi CUs as well.